beckham will be moving to LA soon. so u might wanna reconsider. i hate travelling during peak hours, not coz i get groped by old ladies but coz its PEAK HOURS! all the sweaty corporate fellas (magnus included) would be on the trains n stuff.
 

i brought a riffle with me to klcc today, just in case i happened to bump into magnus.. guess it was his lucky day :P
 

I wasn't too worried kavi, its hard to aim a rifle when it's bigger that you are. Plus if you had seen me you'd probably have gone running in the opposite direction while making 'v' signs :P

You weren't complaining about my big sweaty gropes last weekend chino.

Sad to say the LRT is fucked, no cute girls ever grope me. So not fair, why do girls always get to have all the fun. Its basically like this, in the morning 75% of the people on the LRT are okay while the rest are repulsive, on the way home 75% are repulsive. Deodorant hasn't taken off in this country.
 

This is more like stalking i would say. for me, i usually scan the whole cabin after i enter for cutesy ladies *wink* but i wont go as far as stalking them if they noticed and move to other cabin. ahahah, then i just consider that is my unlucky day.

There was this once a cute girl was standing next to me because the train was so full. er..i was kinda hope the train to come to a sudden halt so that the girl might fall, er.....or at least shaken from the 'tiang' so that i got chance to help her. mwhahahaha, nevertheless i m not horny. mwhahaha
 

oh my .. you guys have weird fantasies..
sure as hell i was hoping the train would come to a sudden halt so that the horny bitches would get thrown off from the train and never see sunshine again.. sheeshhh these horny men really REALLY annoy me..
dude, life isnt all about looking at pretty girls and cleavage and trying to stand in the same cabin and stalking people okay.. get a fucking life..
i wish i was slightly bigger .. then i could probably wrestle them down :P not going to happen i know :(
still, i think adole's plan of wshing the train stopped is extremely cute.. hahahahhaha!!
okay la for your sake i hope the train really comes to a sudden halt if theres a cute girl beside you :P

and magnus, no if i saw you i would have tried to use the rifle even if it was bigger than me :P and in case you still think you intimidate me, boo hoo !you dont :P still , i would kick warlock for ever telling you i was afraid of you ..
oh and if the rifle plan failed i woulda unleashed the V signs :)

and no magnus, getting stared at by scary men in the train is not fun.. your idea of fun can get pretty twisted at times..

im in a super talking mood today..hahahha!
 

i just realised i use a lot of emoticons when i type.. -.-
 

Since this post actually is getting a response from our long absent adole I feel compelled to play devil's advocate.

But first, adole, I have the exact opposite worry. So many bloody girls get all up in the ass these days thinking that all men want to grope them because of the behaviour of the ulu guys, that I worry I'll get pushed into someone in a crowded train and they'll think I'm trying to molest them.

As for your encounter kavi, its sad to say that while they may have been scummy bangla in your book, they were perfectly entitled to do what they did. You were in public and people are allowed to look where they want provided they're not breaking into your house to do so. Secondly, pointing is not an offense. Thirdly, they paid the same price for the ticket as you did and are entitled to sit in any car or seat in the train they want to as long as its available.

Its one thing if they actually groped you or followed you home, but don't you think you're making a big deal out of a couple of guys 'looking' and 'talking' and 'sitting in a train'.

And 'stalking' requires a bit more following than just getting onto the train that they were there to catch in the first place

I have no doubt that you are still terrified of me much like you were terrified of those terrifying men looking at you and only now have the nerve to act all big and bad online ;P
 

The lawyer has spoken . Now I'll feel better about staring and following a girl from cabin to cabin :)

Oh Adole, there is the emergency brake in the train if you are really desperate to get the girl off her feet .. he he he
 

nothing is ever a big deal for you navin.. seriously..
and the ulu guys have made big enough an impression for me to actually feel wary of any of the scary looking men on the train..
and you wouldnt understand ..you're a male that only cares about cleavage afterall..

warlock, dont do it to girls please its scary.. no,really..
i would have to draw spiders on you if you consider that plan ever again..
 

and magnus you can go on thinking i only behave this way online if you want..whatever floats your boat.. -.-

adole, how long does it take to get to Miri from kuching?
 

Dood! I'd bet buckets of money that the emergency brakes are about as well maintained at the rest of the train (i.e. in shit condition).

I totally know how clowns like this work though, they're all like "macha macha check out the chick!!" Then if the girl moves to another cabin it becomes an insult and provocation "oh she thinks she's too good for us!! action aaa!! Who does she think she is?!?" que finger pointing and loud laughing.

Kavi, you need to draw a distinction between guys behaving like idiots and guys actually acting upon you (like say your 'brushing against you' examples).

See I know you expect to not have idiots pointing at you and laughing just as much as I'd prefer to not have a stinking dude with questionable hygiene habits sitting next to me on the bus.

So yes its not a big deal. I've had friends who have been groped or had some asshole untie the back of their tops at clubs. Things like that are a big deal and I would recognise them as such.

But in the end idiots are idiots and will behave that way regardless of whether they are at the train station of racing down the highway on their bikes.

None of us like going to the train station and having people laugh and point at us, just like how people who go to a restaurant don't like having the girl at the next table yelling and screaming loudly, but hey its not a rule either right because its a restaurant not a library.

Plus you missed the part about how I was saying that I'm playing devil's advocate (nope not acting like Keanu) ;P

I personally would like all those I deem to be sub-human to simply vanish from the earth (including your indo-bangla friends).

Interesting question I have though about fearing people based on perception and not action (this goes out to adole and kavi, but anyone else please answer too). What would your response be if a girl friend of yours told you some creepy looking pariah guy with long hair smiled at her of the train.
 

haha, kavi, use more emoticons ^^. it's cuter this way, ahaha. oh btw, from Miri to Kch ya, driving takes u about 7 hours, flight takes u about an hour.

erm......magnus, about the pariah guy smiling at my girlfriend or girl friend, i think i will just switch side with her so that i can block that guy's view on her. sorta. i dun think u can do much as like looking for a fight. that is too not rational.

well, at least one thing i would think of if people are pointing at u and whispering about u, u r actually gaining attention. that is so true when a cutie is talking about me, hahaha, or giggle over my attitude be it stupid or what. well....just take on the bright side, i dun wan to add more stress to my current state. just shrug it off.

oh, kavi, cleavage is one thing, but i truely believe in feeling, no feeling, good cleavage also no use. beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder. I havent been scanning a lot lately, ahahah, i found da angel.
 

oh? good to hear, adole.. hope she makes you happy :)

yea navin but you've also got to understand that these kinds of people do scare me to a certain extent because im not sure at all if they're going to try groping or anything.. just the way i got brushed at the station a few weeks ago and i was like wtf?
can we switch bodies for a day..that way i can scare off all the men :P

adole, are you kidding.. SEVEN HOURS?!!! okay i didnt know sarawak was that big -.-
thought of making a trip to kuching and miri to visit my friends but seven hours is bleh-ing..

i dont even understand the pariah thing navin ..
 

ahahaha, u sure want to swithc body? for a day? sure one day u wont go to toilet? unless u guys wont mind............mwhahahahaha
 

Oooooh! OK!
This is just too interesting for me to pass by.

People looking at you is no big deal. It was your mind that turned them scary. They may seem a certain way, a certain style... but ultinately thats all it is. They SEEM. Sadly you'll never know how they really are. Fear keeps you weary and safe. Fear also distorts reality. Think about it.
I do understand that some guys look naturally scary, and some (ulu guys) really got attitude issues, but hey... don't generalize. Its the worst thing you can do. Judge each person independently. On how they act, not who or how they look like. I bet you won't be too uncomfortable if you caught Keanu looking at you on a train and (God forbid) winking at you now would you. Why? Its the same act. Just different people.

Here's an article I read thats similar to your case. A lady was waiting for the elevator in a hotel. The door opens and she caught a glimpse of two dark seemingly huge guys inside. She was afraid but she fought of the fear. Without making eye contact she mustered all her courage and slowly entered. She stood silently, back facing the guys. Many fearful thoughts racing through her mind. Suddenly, one of the guys said in a firm tone, "Hit the floor". She immediately lay flat on the ground and said, "please don't hurt me, take whatever you want." There was a moment of silence. Then one of the guys said, " excuse me maam, I meant hit the button of the floor you want to go to". She stood up all embarased and apologized. They walked her to her room. After her room door closed, she could hear them laughing as they walked away. The next morning, she received a bouquet of flowers made from dollar bills with a note attached. It read, "thanks for the best laughter we had for a long time; signed... Eddie Murphy and Micheal Jordan."

Kavi, look on the bright side. Strangers looked at you. As scary as they may seem, think happy thoughts. I don't mean to scare you or anything, but what you experienced is nothing compared to what you will face in the future. A time will come when you will look back and laugh at yourself for making a big deal of such a trivial matter. Til' then, take it easy.
=D

About the pariah guy, I would just nod, explain to her its no big deal, and make a joke of it. Perhaps comfort her if she's too uncomfortable. Thats all. Btw, I'm not talking hypothetically here. Its an actual experience. All is fine.

Adole, i'm sure subtlely stalking cuties on trains are fun and all(been there, done that, bought the t-shirt), but I kinda find it more exciting to just come up and talk to the cutie instead.... and then some. Heh heh! Ahem! Try it out. Its lots of fun. Even if its a srike out. Just take it easy.
=P
Btw, the brake thing is an excellent idea. Makes for a great ice breaking conversation. Ha ha!

Oh, and good luck with the cutie angel. Cheers, dude!
 

yea but you know, at times i just tend to stay wary of most guys.. be it black and big or whatever it is..
but yes you do have a point..
still i think i'd rather nnot be looked at by men on the train..scary men..
and its not just any man la.. its the whole body language /way of staring that makes me uncomfortable..
but i dont expect you guys to understand that.. :)
 

Oh yes Arc, this is too interesting to pass by.

Now before all of you get your panties into a know, this is not a declaration of the new era of ultra feminism and ultimate male chauvinism.

Kavi relies on public transport to get to school. I rely on the trains to have a semblance of a social life outside of the 10 square metres around my house. And I'm not just talking to Midvalley and back.

As males you might not see things as we do, and do not make the mistake of thinking we generalize all men that even throw a look at us to be of that type.

Like Kavi says, its not like you can't smile at someone on the train. Its not as though no one is allowed to look at you. Eventually, you get used to it. I used to get freaked but now I just look the other way when I find people's staring unpleasant.

You're right Magnus, a look is a look, its not a touch, a brush, a squeeze or a caress. But thats how it starts. There's a way to look at a person, and there is a time length too. Kavi never said she did anything just because they men were looking at her. She felt insecure, and she moved to a different cabin. It is her right to ensure her own safety as a person who paid for a ticket just as it is a man's right to look where he pleases once he's bought his ticket.

They followed her. And pointed. How is she supposed to feel but threatened? And what did she do wrong? Did she confront them? Report them? No, she just did what she needed to do for herself to feel comfortable.

And you have to, if you want to survive. As people that rely on public transport everyday, we have to deal with our insecurities and fears so we can live our lives and be safe. It is absolutely unjustifiable for anyone, anyone at all to tell her what she did was wrong. She offended no one.

When you're in KL Central, aren't you more wary of your wallets and belongings when you see seedy looking people hanging around? Aren't you more aware of people and things around you when you see someone looking at you and making you uncomfortable? If you say no, you are nothing but bigoted.

It always starts with a look. I speak from personal experience when I say I was once followed by a stranger around Sungai Wang. I was with one friend,a girl, and this man just suddenly started staring at me at a store. I ignored him and continued walking around, and 5 minutes later he's right behind me.

I'm not a wimpy softy girly girl that gets scared off easily, so I took many turns in and out of stores (lingerie, accesories, shoes, you name it) to ascertain he was following me, and to not over react. He came in/waited at the entrance of every store I went into.

I continued to ignore him until I caught a glimpse of him again nearby at the trains station, almost half an hour later.

Now you tell me, how was I supposed to react? I didn't tell my friend what was going on (as to not freak her out until absolutely necessary), so I hung around a large crowd and waited to board the train. I didn't see him after that.

These things happen really often. To us, to the people we know. We've heard first count stories on even worse.

You might think 'There are plenty of people to help you around you always', but let me tell you, when you're scared out of your wits, in an unfamiliar place, with strange people following you, you feel nothing but alone.

I keep saying it starts with a look, and it really does. I know some women really over react when you even smile at them, but I'm glad to say I try my best not to think the worst of everyone. When I'm feeling uncomfortable by someone looking at me continuously, I look the other way, I stay away.

Its easy to say its not a big deal Magnus, its true, they're just looking. But how easy is it to just come out of the train and follow you down whichever path you're taking home? Shall I relate what happened to a school teacher of mine?

If I feel unsafe, I do what I need to to feel secure. I don't take trains or taxis at night as best as possible, I stay in well lit areas, I stay away from seedy looking individuals. Not just to ensure my own safety, but to not have to take that risky journey and fearing every time something could happen to me. Its a matter of survival.

That might sound extreme to you, but before you tell us to not take uncomfortable looks and behaviour from men in public places seriously, go tell that to your mothers, sisters, daughters, nieces and friends first. They would agree that better be safe than sorry, an in Kavi's case I agree with her completely and totally, because she did NOTHING wrong to anyone else.

Like I said, its about survival.
 

before i say anything else, i love you lali.. i really do :)

you just put everything into perfect sentences.. everything that i thought of..
to be fair i dont expect anyone else to understand it la..
having a girlfriend go through something like this is very different from going through it yourself..
and yes, i'd rather stay safe than to be sorry later on..
plus this country just isnt the safest place to think "ahh he's just smiling..it'll be okay" no..
just like lali i've had friends that have had these experiences and i'll be a fool to stand at a station and think "oh its fine, just a smile..wont hurt" ..
you guys dont get it.. theres a difference between just a friendly smile and the uncomfortable ones we get from a handful of in public..

after being ignorant once and getting brushed in return, i dont need it a second time..

i hope warlock sees this because everytime i go to seremban i know he gets a little edgy when im around and the ulu guys there start whistling and crap ..

ahh i want to rant more but im so sleepy and ive got to wakeup shit early tomorrow for the Bukit test.. will be back tomorrow..
 

I know Kavi, its ok I understand what you mean. I love me too. :)

Uhh..I need to stop breaking lines so often, LOL.
 

youre supposed to say i love YOu too!!!!!!!
 

God you love freaks!!! Makes me want to go polish up my tommy gun for some Scarface style shooting (I'm actually not making a vulgar reference to my body parts this time).

I wanted to comment in the office but the internet was screwed and now I'm too lazy and the chicken curry is calling me. So I'll just say good comments all around especially from Arc and Lali.

Its nice to see some sound reasoning in Kavi's posts for a change ;P
 

what? i dont understand..
 

Good reasoning for once?

Haha, you obviously don't know Kavi as well as the rest of us do.

Either way, discussion is fine but I don't think anyone should feel compelled to justify their posts all the time in a blog full of friends/relatives.

Oh and Kavi, labels are like tags. Lets say you writing a post about uhh..me and also about ice cream :). So you put 'Lali' as a label and 'ice cream' as a label. Next time you write a post you put in specific labels depending on what the post is about, so when you click on the label, it takes you to all the posts you've labeled 'Lali' and so forth.

Its just like indexing your posts.

*runs off to post apartheid related jokes*
 

but then ahhh...
how do i linkify it?
i mean.. make it clickable?
 

okay im going to kick myself.. i just typed a sangat the panjang punya comment and my monitor died on me..
so here goes.. okay this is a shorter version of what i typed prior to the monitor dieing off..

i dont usually take comments on this blog very seriously unless it offends me, which hasnt happened..
so most of the time i choose to respond in the not-so-serious-almost-retarded way.. and if things get serious then yes, i'll respond properly..
but heck, this is just us sharing our opinions ,right .. what is the need for a situation of absolute clarity?

truth be told i dont really care if any of you think its no big deal for me to have been smiled at on the train.. think whatever you want,really.. since you guys are all big and macho, but whine when you have to go to the movies alone..right?

and navin dont you think you slightly contradict yourself when you say "you cant even talk back with me online, sure as hell you cannot do it in person" , and you say online is an amplification of a person's character.. right?
a few weeks ago you started telling me how you thought i was an online pretend..and you thought i only say these things when im online, and that i would be different in person..

well you've only met me once so dont sit there and think you're always going to have it easy with me.. just because i dont want to keep fighting off the constant bullshit you throw at me , it doesnt mean i dont have it in me to do it..

and yes, this post was a bit dramatic..haha -.-
but seriously it is all good fun.. nobody is harmed , no pariah guy gropped me..
and im still wondering why you think i should have just stuck to the same cabin , navin..

i've been followed around before and i know how scary it is to have a scary looking guy eyeing you for a long time and then literally walking over your shadow for half an hour..

you guys might think "oh come on, get over it.. getting brushed once doesnt mean it'll happen again" , well , i dont care.. logic tells me to keep safe.. AND by keeping safe i mean staying away from these scary looking people when i feel threatened, if it means being a coward and shifting cabins.. call me chicken ,call me a sorry coward..

i'd be a fool to worry about what im being called if it means risking my safety..
yea the next time your girlfriends tell you this, tell them to go stand in the same cabin.. go tell them not to make such a big deal of it..tell them that getting gropped once is bad and you feel for them but running from these men is a coward's way out..

and i know i've used this phrase a lot.. "you guys dont understand" .. and most of the time i use that phrase when i know we're not on the same plane and im too lazy to explain what it is i think..

but seriously.. dont tell me you "know how it feels" to be around these estate bitches and get followed by them... unless youre female and have gone through it yourselves..

and in case none of you have noticed.. most of the time these estate fuckers are indian guys.. and when they see ANY indian girl at all, all hell breaks lose..
you can ask lali, im pretty sure she knows exactly what im talking about.. and if you guys havent noticed that then who are we kidding here?

at times i just refrain from saying things here because im worried about the negative feelings it might evoke among the bloggers.. i dont know you guys well enough to tell how you'd react to the things i do and say.. heck i didnt even expect this post to get as many comments as its getting..

and yes, i like to have fun.. i like to talk like a retard at times.. i like to do V signs in my pictures and i like the meowie theme my blog carries..
if you cannot handle all that then i suggest you dont bother constantly telling me because its not going to change anything..
no this isnt directed to anyone in particular..because i've gotten the whole "eeeek kavi, enough with the meowie" thing from a number of people.. most of which read this blog quite frequently..
so here's one to all of you..
get over it or kill yourselves with it..
but dont preach the whole "dare to be different" crap with me because i'd throw bitch fits if you do..hahhahahha okayy all of a sudden i imagined myself doing the bitch fits.. hahhahhhaa..

okay im still kicking myself for the monitor dieing off but i suppose this is it for now la..
weeeee-ha! time for wrestling :)
take care ya'll
 

Amen sister.

P/S : Kavi, the label thingy is automatically clickable.

P/P/S : My new phrase is 'Bitch fit'. BOOYAH!
 

Whoa! Nice comeback. Ok magnus. Your turn. Show no mercy. Mwahahaha!
If this goes on, you all can count on me posting again later. heh heh!
happy brawling people.
cheers!
 

you just enjoy this dont you arc.. hahhahhahhahahhaha... btw, i still cannot belive you delayed your lunch just to read these comments.. -.-
 

Heh, nice posts by everyone. Well argued. We should have more stuff like this .. very nice to read.

oh by the way, go easy on Magnus. Don't forget that he is just being the devil's advocate. If you haven't heard the term before go wikipedia it.

More more more more more more more ...
 

oh dont worry warlock.. its not magnus that's getting the needles.. its that devil's advocate that needs a spank
 

I just can't explain this to you girls....

I'm a man.....

I have an appendage....

You wouldn't understand what I go through.....
 

Okay okay, I couldn't help myself, here's the real response. Incidentally this is quite fun s o don't nobody puss out on me now and try to be politically correct or nice ;D

Kavi, you can switch bodies with me if you promised to keep your eyes closed (well, keep my eyes closed) when you pee. It just wouldn't be fair to all the other girls who don't get to see. You're not entirely accurate about how seriously I take certain things, and I have a habit of sometimes arguing against what I actually believe just for the fun of it. But yes, I don't take your train story seriously and I think its a bit ridiculous (the grope/brush thing is another matter though).

Arc, is that story about Eddie Murphy and Michael Jordan a true story or just one of those made up life lesson type fairy tales? You know how it is Arc, people overreact so much these days. Someone gets robbed/slashed/murdered/raped here almost every single day (that's the reported stuff) and yet all of us are still more likely to die in a car accident, but people freak out over all the most unlikely stuff and yet are totally oblivious to the daily risks in their lives. Take the "terrorist threat" in the USA for example and how paranoid they are about it (or course caution and paranoia are two different things so the rest of you do a google search before coming at me with retorts). Props on the talking to cuties on the train man, that's what adole should do too, nothing ventured nothing gained. I guess guys have a hard time too because if you see a cute girl on the train and want to say hello you worry that they'll think you want to gang-rape them. Striking out is no big deal because you come out of it without a new friend and that's the same result you'd get if you just didn't do anything.

Lali, like I said earlier you make a well thought out argument for this whole thing. So let's break it down. Feminism and chauvinism are both crap and I'm sure we can all agree to that. As for not understanding how girls feel, I will tear that apart when I deal with kavi further down.

Saying that it starts with a look makes no sense though, its like saying smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol (or playing video games for some parents) leads to hardcore drug abuse. Kavi has every right to switch to a different cabin and I never said she didn't, I would have in fact recommende it if the cabin she was in was empty. She freaked out for no reason (i.e. smiling and positioning at the train door) and swithched cabins. If she was going to the carpark from a shopping mall at night its a different story, she should ave asked a security guard to follow her.

And she most certainly did offend them. They sound like pricks, and estate dudes like this think to themselves "who does this girl think she is" and this encourages them to make bigger arses of themselves. Taking offense has nothing to do with the right and wrong of kavi's actions in this case, its how those guys perceived her actions (that's why its called taking offense and not giving offense).

Public transport sucks though, you've got to deal with the freaks on a daily basis.

In actual fact I'm not more wary at KL Sentral over my wallet. I spent a large portion of my college years around Petaling Street and have seen my fair share of muggings and snatch thefts involving strangers and friends. But I choose to not live like a paranoid person and worry about getting mugged, but I'm not stupid enough to walk around high crime areas of KL at 2am wearing jewellery. And no I'm not bigoted in saying this, because a bigot is a prejudiced person, a bigot is a person who judges others based on appearance and race and pis more careful around the 'ulu' people at KL Sentral (at most I'd be a hypocrite if I actually was more careful and then lied about it).

I like in the Wanga Maju area of town where a few TAR college students were slashed by motorcyclists just for their money and handphones (and a lot more than that happens here and doesn't get reported in the papers), but I don't cross over to the other side of the road if I see a couple of motorcyclists.

I sympathise with your experiences with guys stalking you around the mall, but again, he could just have been some pussy that wanted to try and talk to you, but even then like you said it was a crowded mall.

Let me talk a bit about fear. Fear is an EMOTION much like despair is. A girl/guy that commits suicide over the despair they feel over being dumped or cheated on is stupid. A guy who slaps his wife because of the emotion of anger is stupid. Of course its one thing if you're all alone in a dark alley. I'd like to hear this story about your teacher, but let me relate another story.

Me and a 5 other guy friends were walking to lunch during college times along with 2 other girls. We were going for lunch together. This foreign worker guy walked past all of us in the opposite direction and none of of bothered cos we see them all the time. 15 minutes later one of the girls tells us the other was groped by the guy, and by then he was long gone and there was nothing we could do. There were 6 of us there and we could have taken him apart and dragged him to the police station that was a 5 minute walk away. Do you know why our friend didn't just scream or shout to us to do something? She was afraid and fear prevented here from acting sensibly and instead made her do the stupidest thing she could have done. Being cautious is fine, stupid irrational reactions based on fear is stupid (I'm speaking generally here).

Still good arguments Lali I must say I'm impressed. Except the part where you start talking about the mothers/sisters/daughters/nieces etc, that's not really an argument, plus its just as important to me to not have my father/brothers/male cousins/sons stabbed or chopped (which is just as bad). They all have had to deal with ridiculous guys out in the real world, but I would say don't react with preposterous paranoia, carry pepper spray, learn self defence, just don't be afraid, because no amount of pepper spray or self defence classes can help you if you give in to irrational fear, and that's the truth.

What do I think about the whole "its about survival" point? Read on ;D

I know you have two or three comments so to carry on. You don't get tosay that we're making kavi feel compelled to justify her posts and then also say that saying she's wrong is unjustifiable. She never had to justify herself, she put up that post for all to see knowing full well there's a comments button for people to comment on a post, the smae way people can comment on my post anytime they feel like it. She doesn't even have to respond at all, she chooses to. If getting comments and view points that are against or put down the subject of your posts are too much to handle then I suggest getting this wonderful new high end, offline product called a diary, you write stuff in it and hide it under your bed so no one can say anything about it. Plus on her blog she can moderate comments to remove those that she is not able to handle. (Mind you, I know Kavi herself never really had a massive issue with negative comments on posts, at least I don't think she does.)

Ok Kavi, first of all you're merging a Yahoo chat we had with this blog so no one will understand what you're talking about, but I will get into that soon. How did you lose what you typed because your monitor died? Did you have to switch computers?

There is no need for absolute clarity, but you do realise that if you are going to make an argument in your favour it doesn't help to spout crap like "you guys don't understand" All that means is that you are not capable of communicating your thoughts or feelings of the issue. Believe me when I say I understand more than you think I do about this whole "mad crazed men" thing, but if you are going to come out and tell us we're wrong for our own views of this that's fine too, just don't try to mask your own inability to communicate as our inability to understand.

I don't understand this statement "since you guys are all big and macho, but whine when you have to go to the movies alone..right?" This has nothing to do with the argument and reads and sounds more like a crack at me, but its not relevant, going to movies alone has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with how going to the cinema is a communal experience to be shared with friends, muchs like celebrating your birthday with cake and candles by yourself sucks. It is akin to me saying "Oh yeah you have all these view but you're a midget!!" BURN!!! But I didn't make any real point there either with that statement.

I have not slightly contradicted myself. What people say and how they act online is almost always an amplification of how they are in real life. If you're a 10% conversationalist, it will be amplified and you will say more to people when you are online. But since you decided to bring it up here, yes, you can't even talk back online, you sure as hell can't do it in person. I'd have been more impressed if you could have actually responded in the chat and not taken 4 hours to make a comeback (I'll beat you to the punch "Oh I Kavi do not care what Magnus thinks of me yet for some reason I feel compelled to defend myself here on the blog regarding a chat that no one else was a part of, but I don't care, I just wanted to respond, but I don't care what he thinks, I really don't") Happy? Good.

But yes Kavi, I don't think you have it in you to fight back with me, its not really important though. I also don't take offence to you calling my comments bullshit, because well people with no counter arguments just hurl insults ;P

Of course most of the time its the estate buggers who have this whole attitude problem. they make stupid noises, and roam the city like packs of wild dogs and only have the balls to do this if they've got friends around. I have experienced this many time when I got out with my cousin in Seremban too, but the reality is that beyond making fools of themselves there's not much to care about. A bit of details regarding crimes on women soon.

As for your meowie and V signs, much like how you subject yourself to the risk of encountering estate boys by taking public transport, you subject yourself to the risk of being called a moron by putting your stuff online, the same way the rest of us do. If you really can't handle that I'm selling the latest in data storage trends called "the Diary" for only 69.99, no comments allowed.

Ok I think I've got everyone so far so now the final part. Let's not going into that whole idiotic rant about how I'm entitled to my opinion and arc is entitled to his and how so and so doesn't have to justify anything etc etc. We all know this already, its like saying the sun rises in the east. So keep this flame fun with gritty and offensive rebuttals ;P

The fact of the matter is rape and molestation are serious offences, just like being stabbed repeatedly to have your handphone stolen, or chopped in the back of the head because a drug addict needs spare cash to feed his habit.

The fact is that as a woman, you are statistically more likely to be raped or molested by someone you know and trust that a stranger (go google it or read newspapers because I don't want to do searched for rape statistics now since I'm at the office, plus I'm plain lazy).

The whole thing about survival is crap. We are all trying to survive. You get groped, some of us get slashed (of course I haven't been groped, but many girls I know haven't been either). Bad crap happens on a daily basis, but don't get paranoid about it.

While I sympathise with molestation and rape victims, you girls aren't so special just because you can get your boobs groped or get raped. I could just as well be chopped up by 9 guys and not be able to retaliate much despite the fact that I'm much stronger than Kavi. Its just we're realistic about things. Being molested is not worse that being robbed or stabbed, its just that it seems worse because it happened to you. You don't see guys being panicky and swithing cabins because they're afraid of getting stabbed, simply because you can feel fear or aprehension but not let yourself be ruled by it.

And yes, your cowardly act of weakness encouraged them, it did because they started laughing and pointing as per your story. They were assholes for doing so, but I've told you before that you are an obvious target, its not all indian girls, its specific girls that get this crap from them (do you really think the estates haven't seen hot malay or chinese girls that they think are sexy).

But anyway, I don't know if my ability to post will evaporate later because of the crap computer at work, so let me put my conclusion in now.

This is actually a grey area and viewpoints will differ. Being paranoid might save you that one time, sometimes even being paranoid still won't keep bad stuff from happening, but being paranoid will suck out many of the simple joys in life. It is an intelligent thing to be cautious, just like its intelligent to wear a seatbelt while driving, but to feel paranoia and fear and think its TEH SCARIEST to drive is ridiculous even though you are statistically more likely to get killed or injured in a car than you are of being raped or molested and killed by train boys (the part about having control over what kills you is an illusion, it doesn't matter how because you'd be dead in both circumstances).

I think that if you're going to live life being afraid of things then that sucks big time. We're all in danger when we move around in public. Arc is in danger in Indonesia, I'm in danger in KL, Warlock was in danger in Kelantan. I'm not advocating taking stupid risks, I don't walk around Chow Kit at night with gold rings and chains. But I don't freak out whenever I see motorcyclists (the people you really have good reason to be afraid of).

We'll see how this goes. sorry for the typos, should have done this in Word before pasting it in as a comment, I didn't know it was going to be this long ^_^
 

holy lord that is one long comment..

no, i cannot give you my word that i'll keep my eyes closed if we switched bodies :P

erm my monitor right.. it has this problem of dieing off at times then when i off the main switch and on it again ,the computer works just fine but i lose all that i was doing before the monitor died off..


errm.. seriously right.. dont you think that it would have been more likely that the men do something to me (if at all they had that intention) if i remained in the same cabin as opposed to switching cabins the way i did?
i mean at that point the last thing on my mind was "oh i shouldnt offend/provoke these bitches" ..
i mean think about it..
and yea, i completely understand why you guys would think it's no biggie..
probably if i was a molestation victim i'd think much less of this train situation.. but im not, you see..
so for me, being brushed was already a mini big-deal..

and after that happening i naturally have this "pariah alert" when i see certain men on the train.. and that might be judgemental to you guys..
navin mentioned on one of our yahoo chats that he thinks "conservatives are very easy to spot" .. so the same way , i know an estate fucker when i see one.. then again of course i could go wrong because as navin said one of his friends got gropped by a decent looking person..
but taking the train everyday, i just rather stay away from these estate guys..
and i myself have observed that they whistle and unleash their "LOOK , IM AN ASSHOLE" behaviour when they see any indian girl at the platform..

but you have a point,navin..we're all at danger everywhere.. and we are more likely to die of a car accident than we are of being raped and murdered..

grrr driving instructor is coming soon.. will continue my comment when im home..
 

You know I just thought of something! And I do most of my thinking at the office when I have no work, otherwise I gotta turn off de brain or I'll go into shock.

Foreigners aside, it is sadly a well known fact that its usually indian/malay boys that behave thise way (with girls of their respective races). This is one of those generalisations that is true (but of course there's exceptions, just generally me and everyone I know seems to have encountered this phenomenon).

Anyway, I was thinking, could it possibly be TV/movies that's doing this. I mean go spend a day watching the shows on Astro Ria/Vaanavil and study how women are courted in these bloody show. Its the same shit, follow them, make stupid jokes, get encouraged when the girl is annoyed, sing a song. Yikes!!!
 

Well Magnus its good to see you finally providing some clarity in your arguments instead of dishing out cynical one liners.

I have to say though, your habit of 'sometimes arguing against what I actually believe just for the fun of it' makes you difficult to take seriously. Some may even think its your way of covering your own ass just in case you turn out to be wrong, if you know what I mean ;).

Much to your dismay though (or maybe not), unless you chop off that appendage of yours, stick two silicone melons into your chest and shoot up on estrogen everyday, you will never, truly be able to understand how girls feel. You may debate, define and rationalize as you like, and as much as you like, but the fact is that is your, male, point of view. Doesn't mean that you are automatically wrong, but do not make the mistake of thinking you truly do speak for the good of all women out there.

Actually, it indeed does start with a look. And making a comparison of that to drinking/smoking = hardcore drug abuse is an extremely ignorant , and dare I say, chauvinistic equation to make. I'm not implying that every look leads to hardcore rape, but its an indicator of what things might lead to and the intentions of someone. If you want to argue on the meaning of the 'look' alone we should probably call a panel of police officers, psychologists, women's rights attorneys and mobs of chauvinistic men to debate the issue.

The point is that to most women, an uncomfortable/seedy stare from someone is a big sign that tells them to stay away. Period. I'll come to the specific issue of what happened to Kavi in a minute.

You say that the men took offence to Kavi moving to a different cabin? Well in most civilized nations, staring and pointing crudely at a young girl when she is alone is considered offensive. Following her into a different empty cabin for no apparent reason is offensive. Progressively moving closer to her and surrounding her is offensive (Kavi told me this later). It is to anyone for that matter. It might not be as offensive as say, pushing someone aside to get their seat, but the degree to which it offends someone is up to them entirely. The pariahs could not give a flying rats ass about how it made her feel, why the hell should she care if it 'hurt their feelings' when she moved away so SHE could feel safe, without affecting them in any way? I have to tell you, for someone who claims to 'know' how jackasses on trains behave, you have a lot of ways to justify their actions.

Paranoia and wariness are two completely different things. The previous denotes the extreme degree to which someone gives thought to their surroundings. KL Central was just an example. In that case, I have to ask you, are you careful at all? Do you walk through everywhere behaving like you can fight off anybody no matter what? How about if you were with your girlfriend, or with family? I'm not paranoid, I do not preach paranoia, I urge people to be careful. To be mindful of your surroundings is different from being anal retentive about your surroundings. I can't stand paranoid people either, just as much I can't stand people who swing their arms and pretend life is sweet, dandy and everybody loves you when they walk through the streets and later complain when things aren't just peachy.

You said 'But I choose to not live like a paranoid person and worry about getting mugged, but I'm not stupid enough to walk around high crime areas of KL at 2am wearing jewellery.' which is exactly what I meant. You do what you need to to be safe, just like us, to feel safe, without affecting others.

Actually, a bigot is a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. What I meant earlier was that if you said you weren't ever careful, you were most definitely lying, which leads me to believe you are bigoted towards Kavi/Girls/Women because you insist we shouldn't have to feel we need to be more careful.

You are wrong there, to be prejudiced is to have a preconceived notion about something without having proper knowledge of it. Bigotry and prejudice are two completely different things. They could lead to one another, but they are not the same.

As for the pussy that followed me around the mall, he was slightly easier to ignore before the short-fuck started licking his lips and flicking his tongue at me repeatedly. After that I was sure if he came within a foot of me I would turn around and knee him in the groin. But thats a different story.

Indeed fear is an emotion. Yeah, so is anger, and so is despair. Your point? By all the examples you've given, its clear that human beings are driven by this thing known as uh..what was it again, 'emotions'? It might be stupid, it might be a totally non pragmatic way of life, but its how every single person lives. Now let me tell you something about fear. One of the worst things to feel is the fear of fear itself. You experience the newfound sensation of fear towards something brand new when you attempt it for the first time in a generic/holistic approach. From then on, most people don't dare do things simply because they hate that mind numbing, gut wrenching head spinning feeling of all consuming fear. Once you've passed that hurdle, its like the freakin' Elysian Fields.

Fear drives us to do things, you're right. Your friend though, in my opinion, is just plain stupid. Sure I might think that now, but who knows what I would have done if I were her? What Kavi did to relieve herself of that fear (its an unpleasant feeling, in case you haven't noticed) its the least of the 'worst' if bad at all. She did what she did to make HERSELF feel better, although later that proved to not be so effective anyway.

You obviously don't get the point as to why I say ask your mother/sister/girlfriend etc. You and I are somewhat alike in the sense that I believe we both like to rationalize things out (although you might disagree) and I'm normally the kind of person that always takes the most practical approach. This is the thing, your straight forward, no bullshit black and white philosophies of life don't always come into effect when it involves your loved ones. It doesn't mean you lose your mind over it, but when you see how things affect the female's around you, what are you going to do, spout the same chauvinistic crap when they're terrified, have been groped/brushed before and need your help or protection just because they FEEL afraid? Are you going to tell them you don't take what happened to them seriously, like you don't Kavi's, and that they should get over it?

No one ever, ever said anything at ALL about irrational fear. Somehow you have this idea in your head that keeping ourselves safe always, always means going overboard so I suggest you check yourself before you come back at us. It is not us who is over reacting, it is you.

As for the whole comment/post thing, that is between you and Kavi. I don't know what goes on, but I have to honestly tell you:

''Its nice to see some sound reasoning in Kavi's posts for a change ''.

That's one way to compel someone to feel as if they need to justify oneself everytime. I know Kavi well, she can take heat, and she doesn't always give it back even though she wants to because she'd rather avoid imminent conflict, but that's just plain rude. Maybe you meant it in jest, but it didn't come out that way, at least to this on looker.

You clearly misunderstood what I meant by 'It's about survival'. Perhaps its my bad because I didn't elaborate with a two page essay.

Surviving rape/molestation/murder/theft/is one thing, but to be clear in this case what I was really referring to is the ability to be able to travel and live life without losing ourselves to the dangers around and being consumed by fear. I know many people who are so damn terrified every single day commuting to college or even going out of absolutely everything that it sucks the fun out of everything they do.

Survival here, despite all the dangers that be, in a lot of way is about saving us from our own fear of fear.

What do you think would have happened if Kavi had just stayed in the cabin with the men? They would have continued what they were doing, and the likeliness of anything actually happening is pretty low. What shifted the whole situation was the fact that she moved to a different cabin. Why? To make herself feel better. And why not? So the bangla dogs wouldn't take offence? You may argue that they followed her anyway and perhaps made things worse, but she had the right to do what she needed to to feel safer, and what she thought would work. When that didn't work, she did something else. This isn't irrational fear, she isn't lashing out at anybody, she simply consoled herself so she could SURVIVE the fucked up experiences she has to endure EVERY SINGLE DAY. Experiences that resound with you every time.

You're right, we are statistically more likely to be raped/attacked by people we know and trust. But that doesn't mean you ignore outside threats. You keep coming back to the issue of paranoia. Neither myself nor Kavi moves away, or freaks out when some strange people look at us. We're used to it. We ignore them. In this specific circumstance, she was alone, there were 9 of them, she felt threatened and unable to physically protect herself, and she moved away. Done.

There's no need for arguments about how you're likelier to be killed in a car crash and we are oblivious to other dangers around us and intense paranoia and whatnot. The case is simple.

In this specific case, one person did what she needed to to feel better, without directly affecting anyone else. In all realness, if those fuckers did have sinister plans for her, changing cabins wouldn't have stopped them. And Kavi knows that. We understand the threats around us better than you think we do.

She is not paranoid. Nor am I. You might think this whole thing isn't a big deal and in truth it isn't. Its probably just one on hundreds of such experiences, and not even of the worst. What Kavi did does not equal to paranoia. If you think so, go read a couple of books or something, and a dictionary while you're at it. Because believe it or not, we're more hellbent than you are at living a life not trapped by fear.
 

Gahahahaha, that was long! And in between when I was typing people actually posted. LOL!

Wakakakakakaka.

Meow.
 

driving got cancelled.. lanciao instructor couldnt find his way to my house..

yay now you too use MEOW.. wee-ha!
keep the BITCH FIT thing going okay its pretty funny..

will be back later if i intend to continue where i left-off..
 

Hey I take offence! My cynical one-liners provide loads of entertainment value.

Can’t agree on your take regarding arguing against personal beliefs. While everyone knows I’d be more than happy to eradicate the whole lot of those train/bus boys/men that we’re all heard about to some extent. And let’s not talk about what some may think, let’s talk about what you think instead. Plus no I don’t need any ass covering in case I turn out to be wrong, that what’s so wonderful about grey areas, black and white arguments are both correct, to a certain extent ;)

Anyone is capable of understanding pain, suffering or fear regardless of their gender. If you feel a certain way, don’t hide behind the fact that you’re a girl and that men could never understand, because that’s the kind of ridiculous bullshit that that I absolutely will not accept (of course that doesn’t matter after all my opinions can’t hurt you….until I rule the world that is). All I’m saying is that while there are people that are genuinely incapable of any empathy, don’t just avoid the entire thing by hiding behind the whole men don’t understand. We understand just fine, or at least most of us do. This really boils down to opinion so let’s just put this one out to pasture.

You seem to be missing a crucial point. I am saying that things would not have turned out this unpleasantly had she just not switched cabins. The choice has already been made of course, but I think its clear that she offended them by switching. Tell me, if you were around 5-9 mentally unstable train boys and you were alone, would you be worried about offending them? If it was me and I’m a guy I’d be damn well trying to avoid offending them. Secondly, explaining away the course of events and how these people were provoked is not the same as your assertion “I have to tell you, for someone who claims to 'know' how jackasses on trains behave, you have a lot of ways to justify their actions.”. No one is justifying their actions. Of course they were behaving like idiots, and they were provoked further. Not because the provocation is warranted, but because this is how guys like this react all the time. I am discussing in the the same vein as if stray dogs bark and snarl at you, you do not provoke them further or trigger their aggression by running (not a literal comparison to the running here), don’t come out and go “ooh ooh stop supporting the dogs, why are you justifying how the dogs behave”.

Actually bigotry and prejudice are synonyms for one another, and can be used interchangeably. Secondly its not as simple as breaking it down to having preconceived notions, everyone has preconceived notions, it’s having rigid preconceived notions that you will not abandon. Through the years I have seen many different girls, both that I care about and couldn’t give a crap about deal with the problems of estate boys and so I have formed my own opinions about how to best deal with them. Each situation is different and should be handled accordingly. Being followed in the mall and being followed home are vastly different degrees of harassment and require differing approaches, much like the difference between being alone at a train station and getting into the last train with no one else but 5 creepy guys and getting into a train with a load of people and 5 creepy guys.

There’s also that whole thing about ''Its nice to see some sound reasoning in Kavi's posts for a change '' Being compelling and rude to your onlooking. It would have helped if you looked on to the nice, sweet winking smiley with the tongue sticking out before you got on your high horse about it ;P (means spoken in jest) :P (possibly jest, but could be an insult).

I think you already argued on my behalf in the last four paragraphs of your comments. So….uh yeah that’s right, my way would have removed the finger pointing, laughing and possibly insulting comments from the train experience. Its not always wrong to run, its not always right to stay, but in this instance I’m saying stay and hang on to that pepper spray you carry around, unless you’re the only one in the cabin, in which case switch or sit near the driver’s compartment.

I like you Lali, you’re one of the more interesting posters we’ve had so far.
 

Where the hell does this pepper spray thing keep coming from? No really. Who the hell actually carries those things anyway?

I suppose we could reason right and wrong over and over again, but my central point is and always will be (in this specific case) is that Kavi did what she thought was right because she felt threatened, and she believed moving away would help her feel less afraid. She dealt with the situation how she saw fit, I don't know what I would have done if I were her as I wasn't in her place, but just because she did do that doesn't automatically equal paranoia. And at this point I don't think she cares anymore either, LOL.

Punctuation mark emoticons are like sentence enhancers to me, you sprinkle some all over the place in feeble attempts to give a semblance of human life :) between all the -_- dots and pixels ^__^ of a computer screen. I never really :D understood the point and throw them around tactlessly. So forgive me as I >.< get off my high horse -_-" and attempt to figure out what a bunch of 0.0 dots mean.

Meh, this argument is getting boring. These days I only argue online if it entertains me but this is just getting stale. Perhaps I'll troll around some more later, and when something makes me go THATSHITISBANANASMAN I'll write a few page essay and post it as a comment.

On a final note, I leave you with this quote

"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, its too dark to read" - Groucho Marx

P/S :
"I like you Lali, you’re one of the more interesting posters we’ve had so far."

Hmm. Don't worry Magnus. I understand how you feel. I like me too.
 

ei biatch number 2 ..
i finally managed to look up diz blog dat you'v been bloggin at.
wtf is wrong with u ah? cannot fight ah? u gona juz sit hr and take all d bullshit?
oh n btw, next time can u not be such a big sohai and at least CALL me wen u takin d train alone?i could hav fetched u home la dear. i kno how u feel abt d men at stationz.had first hand experience my self bt the difference wuz i wasnt brushed.. see la, you put that chicken face of urs somemore la..put somemore..then more ppl will kacau u..
here's sth i honestly think..
u hav diz problem of taking into account hw wat u say will affect other ppl..u care too much la sohai..uve jz gotta fire back firmly lyk u do wen ur wit me.. see datz why i think ur sohai.u alwiz wait till things get outta hand before u voice out.. cannot la sayang cannot! i kno how hebat your fireing back can be ok (think SAM semester 2..physics presentation..)
u keeping quiet might mantain peace bt it aint gonna make ppl respect u d way u deserve.of coz to all of us we know ur capable of fending for urself but youve gotta make that same impression wit outsiders oso lah.if dey dun lyk wut u say den too bad la. juz dun wait for things to boil over before u say wut u tink. say it there and then to make an impact ok gurl?ppl who tink u cannot speak up are obviously mistaken bt uve gotta proove it to dem la! u take care ahh.. n pls dun be sohai at the train station.if ur alone call me,i fetch u home. btw has ur dirty dancing actuali progressed since last year ah? after d prom a lot of our mates were like "u saw kavi dance ah wei?" . pm me when ur free ok we go clubbin! oh n bring Lali la since u both so lovey dovey..
ok la biatch i gtg.
oh btw, i still hate u for ur ability to make frendz so easily. hate u!sohai!
 

hey Chris a.k.a Bitch Number 1!! OMGGG now you gonna bugg my life at this blog too? wasnt the meowie blog bugging bad enough?!!!!
yeala MOTHER i will call you next time when im alone. shouldnt be a problem anymore la considering i'll be driving soon.. then i can lansi you at the highway.. HAHAHA!

i dont know when you got this PHUA CHU KANG element in your way of speech but it makes you seem like a cinapia that makes apam-balik at the side of the road la wei..

yea thanks , i get your point.. :)
my bad for always taking these opportunities forgranted..
i suppose its about time eh?
oh thanks for being my punching bag throughout SAM.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
yea me miss you lots.. where were you during prom la didnt see you around.. were you off dancing with that hot DJ? :P

and yes la yes la.. i've already hung up the "I PREACH WORLD PEACE" boots.. hahaha!
nice to hear from you after so long.. keep in touch!
and no, you have an equal ability to easily make friends.. just that youre too sohai to see it :P

Oh yea you haven't met Lali right..okay okay will try to arrange some meet up session soon..
Lali likes to do pole dancing btw..
 

HAHAHAHA okay okay the lali-pole dance part was a joke..
but erm.. no harm trying right, Lali?
then we can do a lap dance after that for our Home Tutor *COUGH COUGH* the man who broke your chair
 

Ok...I read the post by Christine..then I read it again..and now that I understand it its hilarious.

Looks like I've found someone else who understands the chickens getting picked on principle. Its basically bullying lah, bullies target certain people (we've already discussed this many times kavi, so I'm not going to go over it and make another super long comment).

The pepper spray thing actually came from Kavi, she carries the stuff around with her. In fact I think all girls should, and should have it in hand at opportune moments. I used to carry a stun gun around with me, but never got the chance to use it, for some reason I get left alone (still I wish I could use it on someone just once).

Nice attempt to bait me into saying I don't understand the smilies, but I'm not biting ;P

I'm still hoping Arc will come back for final comments because I agree with his take on the whole thing the most. This whole argument expanded beyond the simple premise that we (or maybe just me) think that Kavi overreacted in the train situation. Everything that got said after that was just long stories about other experiences/people/situations etc. etc. etc., they amount to nothing more than excuses and explanations about why its was understandable (see Kavi this is what I mean between arguments against and excuses for, like if I accuse you of being immature and you say but I'm only 17).

I said Kavi made a bad move, that she became paranoid (understandably because of her brushing/groping experience) prior to Arc and Lali's comments and as usual I'm right, but then what else is new.

Of course I could have said all this earlier but I did it all for the lulz. So Warlock please archive this post as a choice post because I don't know how and its not a good idea to try figuring it out with the timeouts I'm getting in the office.

I'm off to create controversy with another one of my deranged posts, but maybe I'll only put it up next week.

Go see "300"

I hate dogs, they hate me, shooting them is a fun way to relieve stress.
 

yea i get your point navin(about the bullies+immature part.. not about the train situation , of course) :P ..
probably my fault for always thinking i'll just let arguments pass..

i still don't think i over reacted because there's no telling how different it would have been if i didnt switch cabins but yea, these comments are getting a little boring already..
i dont remember the last time a post at this blog had 44 comments.. hahahaha..

errm will come back after the weekend to post something else that hopefully gets us talking like this :)
 

I think only the Merdeka Madness post got this much response, but then again, its probably just because we're all too bored to create a new topic so we're bombing yours.
 

oh? okay i'll go read that entry again :)
 

No, really, why don't you all just get over your damn selves already.
 

I would, but I'm not as flexible as I sued to be.

So wait, if I was over myself, would I have been under me before? Who's going to be under me?????